Torrents: 8,500 GB
Direct: 45,000 GB
So yeah, quite a difference. When I read that I seriously thought it was a mistake, I went back and checked September’s results. October’s bandwidth cost just over twice as much as September (the more you have the cheaper it gets).
This month we’ll still be offering the direct download, but we’ll also be offering some mirrors too.
I guess that torrents stopped quite much people from downloading maps/other huge addons. Well, there are pros and cons on every side :|
The problem is that the majority of people who play Garry’s Mod just don’t have the brains to use torrents.
Offer torrents, direct and mirrors. Then you can only win.
Best idea: give guests only a torrent option, registered members torrents, direct and mirrors.
I hate BitTorrent, It slowed my PC down so much. I was glad when you switched it back. So are many others it looks like.
Altair, if you used a decent torrent client you wouldn’t have had any problems
Alternative mirrors is great, using a torrent is a bit irritating because when I download mods I usually do so on mass when I’m looking for new content to mess with.
Oh and garry, have you noticed that the forums have turned into hoffpunch?
Please change back to torrents I download stuff around 10 times faster with them. Direct download is very slow for me atleast.
I like #4′s idea, if it wouldn’t be too tricky to put in.
Ya #4s idea is great it creates a good system too.
#4 is a sweet idea, gives you some registerability. If you tie the forum logins in you can maybe catch leeches too, with the IP list.
Can’t Steam be used for downloads, too?
@1: No the torrent figure only shows how much bandwidth garry had to pay for, not the total amount of downloaded data. This is a GOOD figure. Assuming the amount of downloads were similar for both months, than garry’s server only needed to distribute 8.5TB of data, and other bittorrent nodes (IE the people downloading files) handled the distribution of 36.5TB between each other. This is exactly how bittorrent is supposed to work and the savings don’t surprise me.
When garry switched back to direct downloads, he again has to pay for every thing you download, instead of letting bittorrent take some of the load off the server as before.
Mirrors might help (assuming garry doesn’t have to pay for them, too) but bittorrent looks like it was a good success (again though it’s hard to really tell since you can’t measure the total data transferred in the cloud in any real easy way). Perhaps you can offer a big Torrent link for each file and then a smaller “Can’t use torrents? Download directly here.” Of course some jerks will download directly even if they can use torrents, for a variety of partially valid and totally invalid reasons, but perhaps some sort of limits could encourage use of the unlimited torrents. Example: Only allow downloading X files at a time per IP, or only allow X files downloaded per IP per day. I wouldn’t set limits as low as rapids*** or those other services, they’re just mean.
Anyways just some ideas there, hope you get something useful out of it garry.
Hmm @4′s idea is interesting too, but it’s unlikely to encourage torrents as much as lots of abandoned accounts.
@6: Be prepared, from your comment it’s likely everyone will assume you have no idea what you are talking about. Prepare for the e-wolves to rip you limb from limb.
When you say “slowed my PC down” people are going to assume CPU usage. However torrent clients generally don’t use much CPU usage. The only time I see µTorrent using a lot is when you recheck a torrent, which you don’t usually need to do often. Even then, techies like me know how to prioritize applications so that µTorrent can do it’s work only when the CPU is idle instead of preempting tasks I care about. Not to mention in the world of multi-cores the problem pretty much disappears by itself anyway.
I’m thinking you mean “slowed my PC down” as in “doesn’t slow my PC down, but slows my internet connection down”. This is why you have to know the speeds of your internet connection (µTorrent comes with a handy speed tool to figure everything out for you) and then set limits accordingly (the most important being upload since ISPs usually set a very low limit since most people won’t notice). In my case, if I limit my upload to 6kb/s, TF2 will play with a lovely latency. If I go up to 20kb/s the latency is bad, but web surfing is still good. If I let to go up to my full 32kb/s web surfing becomes impossible. So, I can set the limit based on what I am using the internet for and usually run into no problems at all.
4′s idea is great!
@13: Steam does have official DLC support now but it’s for paid first-party content and not for third-party content. Still, perhaps it could work. I’m not familiar with how it works entirely since I don’t have any games that use it.
@Overv: Similarly they don’t seem to have the brain to use SVN either.
I suspect Steam might not be an option just because a lot of third party gmod content would have to be copyright violation paradise for companies out for Valve legal blood.
David Hasslehof
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@Anthoni: You shouldn’t be releasing stuff via svn anyway. It’s for internal development purposes.
Just add a simple mirroring system, isnt hard.
@21 Releases on SVN ARE good, but only if the project always evolves, and makes mirroring a very tedious task. Take, for example, Wiremod.
how will you be doing the mirrors, like add support for mediafire and filefrount
NEWSFLASH.
Man plays too much GMod, makes boat.
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~cvm/fishing/bizarre-boats/RedneckBassBoat.jpg
Wow, that’s a nice large sum of bandwidth there, awesome that you’re keeping it direct :D
I only see few things that people actually DO NEED TO GET FROM gmod.org and then there are useless junk files. I see alot of, I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR THIS, I SIMPLY JUST UPLOADED IT BECAUSE IT WASN’T ON HERE. I even wound a svn of the latest Wiremod were people had left the DON’T UPLOAD TO GMOD.ORG file still in it.
-Possible suggestions.
Delete everything
Delete all accounts
Only allow developers to make accounts, which could run with some form of application process were you show work and then someone grants access. Then gmod.org becomes a site for WORKING USEFUL THINGS.
Then all dupes and things can go on mirrors as there in least demand.
Have the best of both worlds, direct downloads and torrents. Everyone wins!
Bittorrent is awesome, and great for cutting down and bandwidth. I’d say offer torrents as the primary download button, and have (Direct Download) in smaller print below it.
@Shad
I think you miss the point. What that shows is what people prefer which as you can see is direct. So it wouldn’t mean everyone would win it would just mean more money splashed on BOTH.
I like the idea of offering Torrents, Direct Download, and 2 or 3 other mirrors. As for the torrents, come on people, it’s as easy as double clicking them and waiting for them to download. As for the slowing down, get Vuze(formerly Azuerus(http://azureus.sourceforge.net/)), since it does not slow down your pc and/or your connection. I can easily run a server while downloading a torrent at full speed with Vuze, and I only have a 6mbit connection… I also like the new style, looks kinda neat.
In the modern distributed world people are going to have to get used to torrents. “The problem is that the majority of people who play Garry’s Mod just don’t have the brains to use torrents.” is just retarded, people can learn to use anything if they have to. And once they use it for a while they won’t want to go back. Education makes everything easy.
I had no problems whatsoever with torrents. If you did, just click on that neopets link in your bookmarks and never come back.
Want to know WHY it was so much more with Direct?
When Garrysmod.org was using torrents nobody bothered trying to download anything with the shit slow speeds that come along with torrents.
@40-
Your a fucking retard. Perhaps set your limit higher, or upgrade from dialup. When your 56K modem turns about to be slow, be a man and upgrade to DSL or something.
I like direct download because it’s less effort to download thing’s using only a browser, rather than a browser and torrent client. I wouldn’t mind if they put the torrents for files that where like 1 gig or more but anything under that takes more time to use the client.
@23: You should never force your client to download another application just to download yours. Sure you can offer an svn link, but NEVER force it.
@ #4
please not i hate sites where you have to register for (maybe) just a single download.
lol @23 arguing with Chad who knows a billion times more than the average gmod noob will ever know, especially all the idiots who think torrents are shit, slow, or illegal.
SVN is only meant for source code/materials checking in/out. The fact that it’s been used in gmod to distribute end-user content is laughed at all around the internet by real developers.
You idiots need to stop taking 4chan bullshit as gospel truth and read books on technology and the internet as well as different protocol specifications.
The torrent bandwidth was less because hundreds of people stayed on them, I would know, I was one of them. Any time I joined a popular map/file there were at least 250 seeders at any given time which meant the couple of s3 servers of garry’s were only having to distribute initial bandwidth and the gmod community was absorbing most of the load.
Just because you’re too stupid to know how to make torrents work doesn’t mean you can assume that lower bandwidth bills were due to people not using it considering his traffic data remained largely the same.
I realize @40 was just flaming but I think there might be a real point there. You cannot tell weather you were really saving money because other seeders took some of the load or if many clients simply refused to download the files they wanted finding them somewhere else or doing without. Since statistical solutions are almost imposable with torrents perhaps an opinion poll of users asking weather they were happy to use torrents and which they would prefer. I personally think it would be unreasonable to offer only torrents but if you really want to lower bandwidth i would recommend you offer both torrents and direct downloads but throttle the direct downloads as an incentive to use torrents.
Please put the torrents back up. These mirrors are slow as shit.
A mixture of torrents, mirrors and direct downloads are definitely the way forward.
I could probably offer mirroring on my server. I don’t think I could pump out 45TB a month but I could definitely shave a few TB off of that.
New post.
just remove the entire downlaod system. they only use it to upload/download naked/anime models.
DO EET FAG!
Simply offer torrents along side mirrors.
My downloads were at least 10x faster WITH torrents :(
where i can download this game >:O i cant find it anywhere? lol
Yes, have torrents alongside mirrors. I see no reason not to.
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The problem is, most people dont want to have to learn to use a better method if the current one works even if the benefit of the other is obvious.