NOTE: I’ve been writing this over a few days so please excuse me if it has no point, or if I’m making a point then in the next sentence make the exact opposite point.
I was talking to a friend the other day about the town in which we live, Walsall. Which is in the West Midlands of England, north of Birmingham. We were talking about which pubs/clubs we liked, and why we did or didn’t like them.
We agreed that we both liked Revolution, because there weren’t any scrubbers – probably because it’s relatively expensive compared to the rest of town. The cheapest probably being Chicago’s, which offers cheap drinks – including £10 in and all you can drink on a Thursday night.
If you’re looking for women, in Chicago’s you will find fat, beaten up looking women, with tattoos on their arms bearing the names and dates of birth of their 6 kids. In Revolution you will find professional women, nurses, students, posh birds from the south of Walsall (I come from the North of Walsall).
This is like a metaphor for how Walsall runs. Maybe how England runs.
You got two types of people, scrubbers and workers.
Scrubbers don’t work. They don’t have a legitimate reason for not working. You see them all the time in Walsall. They’re the people that are sitting outside their houses around a 4×4 revving the engine but never actually going anywhere. They’re the people you see at 11am walking down the street with a crate of beer on their shoulders. They’re the problem.
It’s easy to look at them and think, lazy cunts, get off your arse and do something. But that doesn’t get you anywhere to think like that. They probably don’t know any better. Their parents did that. They don’t know what it’s like to have a job.
I went to school with people like this. I know a girl, she was 16, she’d just left school. She was telling me how she didn’t want to end up like everyone else, working all week in a shitty job to pay the bills. I explained that all great journeys start with a first small step. You have to start somewhere. You’d have to start with a shitty job that you probably don’t like, if only to get money and experience, for something like £150 a week. “£150 a week?”. Her eyes bulged out of her head with surprise. “There’s no way I’d get a job making that much”. That’s minimum wage. And I remember when I was under 16 and that was an insane amount of money. She had no idea how much jobs paid, and how much she was losing by sitting around on her arse all day.
She’s 19 now. She has never had a job, she’s pregnant, probably alcoholic. Her friend is an alcoholic, and has a baby. It’s easier to stick together than to strive out and break away. She didn’t want to make a decision that would define the rest of her life, and by not making that decision she’s had it made for her. No more jobs, no money. 16 years of benefits. Probably more kids, more benefit. Easier to do nothing.
It all boils down to one thing. Confidence, self esteem. She didn’t have any confidence. She didn’t know how to apply for jobs. She had the wrong attitude towards non scrubbers. She felt like they saw her as a scrubber. Stupid. Unemployable. So she was defensive, to the point of being aggressive. Her friends didn’t want her to get a job and move on, they were alcoholics, they had babies, they weren’t going anywhere, so she wasn’t going to get any encouragement from them. Her family wasn’t so much interested in helping, as making fun of her under-age park bench drinking and her love bites.
And that’s the biggest problem with Walsall.
If you ask a scrubber in Walsall what the problem is, they’ll probably tell you there’s too many Polish people, too many Muslims. They’re what’s ruining the town. You go to the job centre, there’s not one Muslim or Polish face there. There’s plenty of pale white lads wearing addidas tracksuit bottoms and baseball caps, leaving their cider cans outside while they go to sign on. The Polish and Muslims are paying their taxes, they’re adding to the town. Scrubbers are just taking from it.
WOW you live in Poland?
But wait garry, you don’t have a job
Its not just Walsall, its Britain, and every word of that is true.
well that’s sad
Good read. I know that the living conditions in England ain’t the best but it’s not the worst either. There’s a list on Wikipedia somewhere. In Sweden we all work, if you don’t have a job you get beat up, that’s how it is. Some people get a job early and some keeps studying until they’re 25. Our schools and Universities are free so there’s no complaining.
It sounds like a very similar situation to ours in Nottinghamshire. I’m not a very confident person myself, it’s something I need to work on. I think I’m taking steps in the right direction though. I got a part time job yesterday, it’s a great feeling knowing I’m going to be earning my own money.
Cool story bro.
@2: But he pays his taxes with the money he earns, he is adding to the town (and the internet).
On the part where you mentioned muslims and polish (being careful of racism here) i have no problem with the majority, but its when they come into our contry illegaly take jobs and DONT pay their taxes. look at blackburn imo. and you cant denie that they really are taking away jobs in certain areas. sure scrubbers blame them for everything because they made themselves incompatent. but thats just my opinian, sorry if i’ve offended anybody.
This was actually a really good read.
I agree with most things that were said.
One thing though, i do think that immigration is causing a lack of jobs for the scrubbers who DO want to change their lives around and find work. So i disagree with the fact that foreigners are adding to society – I believe they are taking away from it.
your last paragraph is something that i’ve thought of before, and you’ll find the people who are racist and say things like “muslims are fucking up britain” are people who dont work, whilst i dont work myself, it’s because i’m 16, and i hope to get a job within the next few months, i dont want to turn out like people like the “scrubbers”.
BTW i have another word for these “scrubbers”, i call them chavs
@5
Most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard, that is certainly not how it is here, you don’t get beat up for not having a job, what a stupid thing to say.
So is a “scrubber” like a chav?
More people die in chicago then soldiers in the middle east
It’s the same thing here in the US.
wat
Aw, disapointing blog post :(
I had been waiting something Huuuge
It’s true. And the balance will never shift, so long as ‘scrubbers’ continue to recieve benefits for squeezing out more kids.
I agree with everything that Garry said there, seems like the whole of britain is this way… blaming foreigners for not having a job, when it comes down to laziness.
Very interesting and perceptive Garry. Good stuff.
That is so true, i use to live in Walsall i lived in the area called Beechdale Estate. Scrubbers = Lazy
Um Garry, isn’t it that technically you don’t have a job either? Well you’ve got money anyway so fuck that.
I do have a job. I’m a company director.
@5 @12 I live in Finland and conditions here are pretty much the same. I don’t think you get beat up if you don’t work, but we don’t really have these scrubber-communities here either (atleast not this big etc.), so everybody will pretty much hate you. Which isn’t completely wrong, because as long as you avoid excessive drinking, there will be some kind of chance to get a job (in towns and cities that is).
Overall, a very good and intelligent post Garry, I completely agree.
Muslims rule.
A text about the unemployment situation in Great Britain that does not only consist of ranting about some beings you call “chavs”, but instead goes on about the actual issues and problems, instead of just simplifying it to “those people are idiots”? That deserves quite a lot of respect.
So true garry :P
GO POLAND!
Nature sorts this shit all out, in the end.
So, what’s a scrubber? Is it like chav? I thought all brits were chavs… :/
Woohoo, we rule! Islamic Yam-Yam Poles FTW!
Were you drunk on the last paragraph? Fail spelling mistakes.
That’s also the rest of England Garry, I think you confused “Walsall” with the entire country. l2govern, government!
I understand some people do take the piss with job seekers allowance but I just came out of college and can’t find a job for shit. I do live in a rural area (Cornwall) and can’t drive with limited public transport, this is a big problem for me because no matter where I work I need to travel but I can’t afford lessons without a job.
It’d be good to see how different things would be if we didn’t have such a pissant government, £10 an extra in their benefits to alcoholics? Real clever idea there.
If all benefits were stopped, this country not just Walsall could be great again.
thats like the indians over in canada (the natives)
Man, fuck scrubbers. Also yay Poland!
I like how you describe the social situation in your town, since I didn’t know much about Walsall.
Of course I don’t know much about the UK in general. I could read all day, but an actual visit is more educational.
Totally agree, similar situation in Australia
It’s kind of funny. The same thing happens in America. There’s a lot of Americans that blame anyone Hispanic for taking away jobs and immigrating illegally.
Scrubbers: a word I know from Withnail & I.
A polish person tried to steal my job from me the other day. One minute I’m standing behind the counter, then he’s got my shirt off and popped me out the back. Luckily, my experience with violent video games taught me how to rip out his spine.
Honestly, any notion of being “from britain” really amounts to having been here first. Nobody sprang into being in a cave in Oxford with a cup of tea and a faint impression that those charlatans in the Cambridge cave make damned shoddier clubs. We’re all romans, and saxons, and fucking everything by now. Why let it depress you, why cling to arbitrary genetic information at the cost of your true emotional development? Can’t we have a functioning society first, before we start accusing people of somehow stealing it?
I showed this blog post to a few people, Garry. It was pretty articulate on the whole. Well done!
Cool story bro.
@38 agree :)
Nice read, I’ve reacently been in Scottland and I’ve seen the problem you’re talking about. I talked with a cook, he thought the problem was the gouverment just feeding this people, instead of forcing them to do (at least) some work. Which I think is true.
Too many Poles abroad really is the problem, even here, in Poland.
You should go into politics
Living in Poland really sucks (No xbox live, fallout 3 pathes etc.). On the other hand UK seems to be awesome place to live. That’s why so many Poles left country. I would love to study in UK, but I don’t want to be next Pole there.
My fiance works with these types of kids. One important thing to remember is that people aren’t born that way. As you said, their parents are like that. There’s always some adult willing to come along and fuck ‘em right up. Some of the stories about how people end up this way are extremely depressing.
@49: The majority of Brits don’t mind immigrants at all, we have some Polish kids in our school and they’re pretty awesome :O
What doesn’t help either is that some proportion of the working type are going to up sticks and head down south.
I’m from Halesowen, in the West Midlands, west of Birmingham, but I spend most of the year studying down in London. It depresses the heck out of me coming back up here.
The immigrants are just doing the jobs that English are too lazy to do. The Poles work really hard over here, and more power to them.
Also, more Poles means it’s easier to get hold of Zubrowka, which is awesome. You can get it from Wetherspoons with apple juice, they call it a “frisky bison”.
It’s the same up here in North-East Scotland.
You have the two categories:
Hard Workers
Louts
-applause-
pointless…
I come from Edinburgh, I don’t know if anyone can relate, but I can now recognise a Polish person from a fair distance, mainly because of their eastern European hair, and general tiny build. From what I’ve noticed, all they do is cheat their way through the British citizenship test (Or smuggle themselves in), buy the kids alcohol and cigarettes (No matter what age), open up “Deli”s, (If anyone is ever in Edinburgh, keep an eye out for Polish shops on Leith Walk, I’ve counted 3, 2 of them right next to each other. Do we really need 2 of what is essentially the same shop right next to each other?) they take all the kids’ jobs, (My son, leaving school at the end of the year, can’t find a part time job for all the Polish in the local shops) making money that will probably return to Poland in one way or another. I’m not even going to go into all the weed they grow here, I read somewhere that Polish weed accounts for up to 30% of the weed in Britian. That’s a lot of weed from a minor majority if you think about it.
I see what you’re saying though, I hate benefit thieves, people who cheat the system and people to refuse to work, and the more people we can get working for us, the better in the long run, but saying the Polish outright make your town or my town a better place is more than a little incorrect.
Wolverhampton is worse, LOL
Walsall is just like the rest of the west midlands, garry have you been to wolverhampton lately its alot worse, id rather be in walsall then wolverhampton, even worst is the smaller towns between, bilston, whillenhall, thouse are usually a more consentrated mass of these people.
So what’s your point: steal someone’s idea to get rich? Right…
Why do people think you live in Poland? lol
Good blog post though, except the recession doesn’t help one bit.
Good article and interview in PCG this month
Good points well made Garry. British society is crippled not by imigrants but by the natives, this became painfully obvious after five years living in Hull.
Dude you just described mankind, congrats.
I live in Detroit. We have a 24% un-employment rate.
Happens everywhere.
Thanks a lot for sharing this. Its just what I needed to read tonight.
@61 I am from Poland and… i must agree with you. I am one of the better Polish pepole here. Well im 16 , i dont fucking smoke ordrink alocohol (here alocohol for kids is mainly CHEAP beer and veeery cheap “wine”-like products).Also what you mean by saying south Europe hairs?
O_O wtf? fail
cool
This is probably like Leicester, i think we are the 3rd town in the UK who have the highest unemployment rate.
Im 19 and going back to College, i would rather do that then sit around on the doll waiting for people to get back to me on work, i need something part time.
Ive applied for loads of jobs since i got fired last year around september, i think its because im lacking experience if anything, i dress smart to interviews and answer the questions right and shit, but i still say its down to experience,
no one just seems to give you a chance, my job was working in a warehouse as an assembly opp, i don’t want to be in a warehouse all my life, i would much prefer working in the public eye in like a bar or something.
Hopefully i will pass my college course over the next 3 years and go
Uni or someshit
Garry, you’ve just written what i’ve been thinking of for a ling time! Here in the Netherlands you have exactly the same type of people. Afraid to change something in their secure little world, afraid that they might lose their freedom and be left with some sort of responsibility and commitments. So they just stay in their shitty (but secure) little world…
And i think we all have a certain dose of “scrubberism” in our blood, i notice that myself when people, things and even myself try to discourage me, or someone else to not do something, because it may affect you and your safe little world. But then i think that there are always a million reasons to not do something, and that not taking risks eventually leaves you a scrubber.
And if only more people would realize this, this world might have looked quite a bit different.
With our modern civilization, where the government takes care of people that are not contributing to the community. Instead of a system where mother nature takes care of the “useless” by natural selection, and thus cutting off the dead ends to our progression.
I think this slows our development, because we haul along a massive amount of dead weight in our civilization.
Not that i’m calling to kill all that is useless, but maybe stimulate that group, to show that there is more to life than schultenbrau (C brand beer) and 1989 Opel (Vauxhall) corsa’s …..
This text reflects my vision and opinion, don’t take it personal, but maybe it could inspires you enough to overcome that little piece of scrubber-ism in you ;-)
Unfortunately Garry, that’s true all over England.
@ 88
In Soviet Russia; doll sits on you!
Mostly true. The scrubber part is everywhere. I’m from Sheffield and experience this alot; the muslim/polish part of your arguement is a load of bolocks though. It’s well documented that the polish work for a stupidly low wage in England, therefore they get hired over our own people. The less said about ILLEGAL immigrants the better. I could never have a problem with legal immigrants or British citizens from a different ethnic background. The illegal ones are a massive problem, mostly due to the fact that our government is a pile of shit.
toastonrye, you’re wrong about the natives buddy. Im an iron worker, and Ive worked alongside atleast 50 ‘indians’ and they all work atleast as hard as us others do, most of em harder. Its true that alot of them have serious issues with alcohol and substance abuse, but saying that the indians just sit around on their asses all day is a ****ing joke. Go visit a reserve if you want a look at what some of em gotta deal with. I don’t know alot about the british side of things, Ive only ever been to heathrow on a crossover flight, but I imagine the ‘scrubbers’ are taking advantage of government subsidies for birthing children, which as far as I know is not available to anybody in canada (maybe tax breaks? I dunno) as well as other government support.
I lived in denmark (yeah it aint the same thing, gimme a break) and I hear alot of talk about immigrants and poor folks and how they’re sucking the marrow out of ‘our democratic society’, but you gotta remember; you, as the apparent non-apathetic part of society, have allowed this to happen. How many of you are really politically active? Instead of blaming the government, or the scrubbers, or the immigrants, why don’t you try to do something yourself?
Get off YOUR ass.
I apologize for the run on sentences and general incoherence, but don’t mess with the natives man, they’ve had enough bullshit thrown their way.
What is it with people who saddle themselves with a heavy yolk and then go off on others?
We all make mistakes.
Judging those you pereceive as slacking off is exactly how youre corporate masters would like you to spend your time.
Slowing development? The majority of human resources are expended pointlessly; curing cancer is only slightly less important than the new Transformers movie.
Journeys start with a small step, and then a big one off the roof when you discover your retirement fund was stolen by a nice professional non scrub con man.
Oh and for the “Im one of the better Polish cuz I dont drink and smoke” congratualations for making healthy choices and getting your big boy hairs but its not really award worthy moral fortitude to abstain from things you cant legally do anyway.
Goodnight and remember next time you presume to judge someone, save it.
Immigrants add far more to a country then they take away.
This seems to happens in every place, but it’s influenced by the economy in the area, here in my country(Argentina) this as been a difficult year for almost every one, the people don’t have jobs just because there is no money.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina if you don’t even have a clue of a county called argentina.
Very interesting read.
well, i’ve been job hunting for a year now… i’ve got an MSci in physics, but that doesn’t cut it cos it either intimidates people or is meaningless in the face of no experience.
that thing that someone mentioned about scrubs blaming muslims and polish.. ya know a similar happened in Germany between the 2 world wars. mass unemployment, etc, blame the jews, hitler comes to power, mass slaughter and attempted genocide.
so yeh, dangerous … after all in this country you don’t nee a job to be eligable to vote (and i really think that having a job should be a requirement in any society to having a right to vote)